The Old Gun Pit closure.

The Old Gun Pit closure.

 

 

The Bull Tavern closed to a large new housing development coming soon.

The Old Gun Pit closed by enforcement officers or bailiffs on 20th June 2024.

The Old Gun Pit closure.

Earlier this year they closed the Equitable pub in General Gordon Place, Woolwich due to financial difficulties caused by the Covid pandemic, then we lost the Bull Tavern in Vincent Road, Woolwich and not to  mention the Queens arms in Burrage Road, and now we have lost the Old Gun Pit.

The Bull Tavern I believe was closed due to a planned new housing development next to the new Woolwich leisure centre that is being built at the moment.

The closure of the Old Gun Pit was a bit of a surprise not only to its customers and patrons, but it would seem also to some of its staff.

When checking on its Facebook page just four days ago it was advertising for customers to come and watch all the Euro matches at the pub, and the very next day it is announcing its closure.

There is a notice of repossession from an enforcement company acting on behalf of the landlords stuck to the pub door. So, it looks like they were not paying the rent to the landlords, so the bailiffs have come a knocking. If they were fighting a repossession for some other reason, then the management must have realised this would have happened at some time, so it couldn’t have been such a surprise after all.

They advertised themselves as the oldest Irish pub in South East London.

I never got around to reviewing this  place and now I never will.  To be honest it was not one of these places that I would have frequented myself, its clientele always looked a bit rough and ready, and the pub looked like the type of place a fight could break out at any moment, but looking at the reviews I could have been wrong about the place.  The locals seem to love it and at the end of the day it was the type of pub that relied on its locals rather than footfall or tourist clientele. It is Woolwich after all not touristy Greenwich.

Woolwich is losing too many pubs lately. I hope the landlords will lease the Old Gun Pit site out as a pub again soon to new management or a brewery chain.

We are still waiting for an update about the Volunteer pub in Powis Street that is supposed to open some time in 2024, but the managers or owners have still not given an opening date.

 

Bar Etiquette

Bar Etiquette

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 PUB PET HATES

There seem to be two new fads that seem to be creeping into the pub lifestyle that I find abhorrent.

The first is one that I have seen a number of times now, in the Silver Cross in Whitehall and the Dial Arch in Woolwich, and one or two other touristy pubs. This is the totally non-British way of getting served at the bar by standing in a queue waiting for the person in front to leave the bar before the next customer goes up to be served.

It seems to be done mainly by tourists than locals, but it has to stop. I have to call out this kind of thing before it starts getting normalised.

The British will queue for almost everything, from waiting for a bus (while the foreigners jump the queue and push in) to waiting in line at the post office, or waiting in line for just about any service you can think of. It shows a sign of respect and fairness.

There is one exception to this British rule and that is when we are waiting to get served at the bar of a pub. Up until this new fad crept in there were no single lines in a pub perpendicular to the bar.

The rules and etiquette of getting served at the bar in Britain have been the same for hundreds of years and served us well.

First you find a space at the bar. Yes there may be a few arrogant arseholes who like to sit at the bar and hog the bar space the whole night. You simply ask them  if you can get to the bar and usually that will do.

When you have access to the bar either hold up a tenner or twenty pound note to indicate you want serving or make eye contact or gesture to the barman to indicate service is wanted.

If the person next to you has been waiting longer than you, it is the polite and correct thing to do and ask the barman to serve them first. It shows you have manners.

It should be noted that some bar staff are a bit peeved off with this new queueing lark as well, and some have resorted to putting up signs asking people to not queue but simply step up to the bar instead.

Really good and  experienced bar staff you will find can multitask and will ask you what you want while still pulling the pints for the people that they have just served before you. This can be problematic when people are queuing up as it slows down the serving flow.

The other irritating fad that seems to be creeping in from America is the bar staff of certain pub chains expecting a tip every time I buy a drink or round at the bar with my card or phone.

If the staff, like in many continental countries came to our table asked us what we would like to drink and brought the drinks in a friendly and efficient manner to our table, then yes I would gladly give the staff a tip.

But George or Fred behind the bar pulling a pint as he is expected to do in his job description then no , he will not be getting a tip from me.

I even had a barman at a fancy high end Piccadilly hotel automatically add his tip onto a bill that I was given even though I had ordered all the drinks at the bar and was standing at the bar. I made him remove the tip from the bill.

In the States a Barman’s tip is expected as the wages due to employer exploitation and next to no labour protection laws. Their basic wages are shit and the pathetic $7.25 minimum wage that has not changed in decades, so without their tips they would not be able to survive.

In Britain we have a decent minimum wage and other benefits that their American counterparts cannot claim. There is no need to start bringing in a tipping culture into Britain.

If your old dad or granddad was asked for a tip by the barman to pull a pint years ago  he would have been telling the barman in no uncertain terms where to go, or be up before the magistrates for punching out a barman.

The price of a pint at present  is astronomical compared to just a decade ago, so the publican or landlord is getting generously reimbursed for the pint he is serving. There is no need or justification for tipping at the bar, unless you are being waited upon. The Landlord should be paying his staff accordingly unless he is of the greedy and exploitative type but that is a thing the employee should be sorting out with the employer, not expecting me to top up his wages.

Under no circumstance should we allow our pubs to be Americanised in this way. American employers have got away with treating their workers like shit, with exploitative labour laws that always benefit the employers, and slave wage rates that are as low as the employer can get away with. Thanks to EU workers rights and labour laws tipping for everything must not become the norm here.

I have also seen a separate card reader in some establishments at the end of the bar, or a jar of tips for the barman or barmaid. I have no problem giving a few quid in this way to the bar staff, if they give exceptional service or engage you in pleasant conversation or in some way makes your visit a nice experience. That saying, don’t expect a tip if you are a miserable barman making me feel like I’m putting you out or making me wait ages to get served at the bar.

What do you think? Give a comment in the comment box below.

New Pubs

New Pubs

New Pubs

Back in October I blogged about a new pub that was opening in Powis street Woolwich,  called the Volunteer.  According to the Murky Depths website (  Murky Depths – News and views in London (fromthemurkydepths.co.uk)  permission was given the go ahead for Antic pubs to develop the building way back in 2014 and again in 2017 but they just sat on it and did nothing.

In 2023 new permission was given to develop it again and since then we have been waiting for it to open but still nothing.

Unfortunately, due to an updating mistake and lost data that blog was lost.

Since they had to close one of the better pubs The Woolwich Equitable in General Gordon Place which was owned by Antic pubs but closed due to rent arrears after the pandemic, we have been waiting for a new decent Woolwich pub to open.

Antics have 23 pubs running throughout London and another 4 waiting to finally open, but they have either sold or closed 20 pubs and some of them were pretty good pubs selling real ales.

A pub in waiting. The soon to open Volunteer pub 

If like me, you want to keep updated with the glacial rate at which this place is to open then go to the Volunteers website:  Welcome – The Volunteer (volunteerpub.co.uk)

Another Antic pub due to open soon just up the road in Plumstead is The Plumble which will be housed in 236 Plumstead High Street, next door to what used to be up until 2008 a pub called the Horse and Groom but is now an African church.

Up until 2012 there was another pub next to the other side of the African church called the Electric Orange. So years later we are getting one pub back after loosing two next door to the future pub, The Plumble.

Another new pub being planned for the Greenwich based river front location at the Cutty Sark  in what used to house Byron Burgers and Frankie and Benny’s, and has laid empty for a number of years now.

It will be called The Ship, and is a business venture between the owner of The Trafalgar Tavern, American businessman Frank Dowling who owns a number of restaurants and bars in the Greenwich centre area and a number of other investors.

Given it’s prime location by Greenwich Pier and in the middle of a popular tourist area with great River Thames views it should be a success.

The Duke of Greenwich opening day.

The Duke of Greenwich opening day.

Duke of Greenwich opening day.

On a lovely sunny evening on Wednesday 12th July we went t the opening of the new pub called The Duke of Greenwich (formerly The Vanbrugh).

I was mistaken in my last blog when I said that I thought the pub had been gutted and was completely different inside. Inside the layout is still the same.

The selection of craft and real ale beers on sale is most impressive although the barman did seem to go into a state of mind confusion when the wife asked for a glass of Pinot Grigio. She settled for a Sauvignon Blanc, which he could handle. I being a CAMRA member wanted to try out the real ales on offer.

Most of the real ales on offer were from the Brew By Numbers brewery which brews excellent beers just down the road by the river.

My wife also tried a Portuguese wine called ‘Chin Chin’ which she said was very nice.

The main food on offer that day was supplied by the large BBQ stage set up in the gardens although I am sure other food was being prepared in the restaurant part but was largely being ignored in favour of the BBQ.

I will eventually get around to writing a review about this place, but it will not be based on the opening day as that would be unfair. Most pubs are different in vibe and ambience once the celebrations are over and a more normal way of life sets in.

Going forward even if they kept the pub as it was on the opening day, I would be OK with that as we enjoyed ourselves. I will also try out their food to see what sort of selection they have but I strongly suspect that they will keep it as a basic pub grub establishment, which is fine as long as the food quality remains good.

The only reason the Vanbrugh closed was the licensee retired and there was no one available to take up the reigns. Let’s hope the Duke of Greenwich is a success. I for one will be popping in occasionally.

The Vanbrugh reopens

The Vanbrugh reopens

The Vanbrugh reopens soon

Pub BarThe much missed pub, The Vanbrugh which closed on the 11th March 2022 is set to finally reopen within a matter of weeks according to the local blog www.fromthemurkydepths.co.uk and I for one will love to try it out under new management.

From a notice attached to the pub door the new owners are an independent company made up of 5 friends who work in the hospitality sector and already run a pub called The Jolly Gardeners in Vauxhall.

I used to love sitting out in the garden area in this pub in the summertime, so reopening in July hopefully we will get to enjoy the garden area again.

At one time The Vanbrugh was noted locally for its excellent cuisine and restaurant area, but by the time the pub closed the food standard seemed to go from high end cuisine to fairly bog-standard pub grub, but the quality of the food remained excellent, if not a bit wanting in selection on the high-end side.

Let’s hope the new owners re-establish a newly invigorated standard and get the restaurant back to how it once was.

I for one am glad some of our local pubs like The Vanbrugh and the Star and Garter, now called the Star of Greenwich Community Pub which we thought were gone for good are making a comeback.

Update:

When the old Vanbrugh pub reopens on Wednesday, July 12th it will not be called the Vanbrugh, but will now be called the Duke of Greenwich and gathering by the amount of building material and waste stored outside the place has been gutted and will have a completely new look.

The Vanbrugh reopens

Win some, lose some.

Win some, lose some.

Over the last few years, we have lost at least three pubs namely, The Vanbrugh, The White Swan and the Star and Garter and now we are about to gain two new ones. When I say we gain two new ones I actually mean we gain one new one and get back one that lost its licence in 2020 due to a particularly violent stabbing incident.

The formerly named pub the Star and Garter is set to reopen soon as the Star of Greenwich and run as a community-based pub rather than a commercial business enterprise and is at the moment trying to raise money in this endeavour by crowdfunding.

Their aim is to run the pub as a community pub run by east Greenwich people for east Greenwich people.

If you want to contribute to the crowdfunding then visit their website: The Star of Greenwich – Home

The other new pub is the new Wetherspoons pub at the O2 called the Stargazer which is planned to open on 21st March 2023.

The Wetherspoon business model has a bit of a bad reputation as well as the type of clientele that it attracts, which unfortunately includes me. I love the cheap prices (who doesn’t) as well as the large selection of beers and ales on offer.

Unfortunately, it can be noted that when a Wetherspoons opens near a well-established local the local struggles to compete against a giant like Wetherspoons and many go under.

There are a number of pubs in the O2 already that are charging a fairly high price for a pint of beer compared to Wetherspoons. The Observatory, a Nicholson’s pub, The Slug and Lettuce O2, an All Bar One and the O2 Blue Room. I’m sure they cannot be happy with their new neighbour.

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